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Whose means justifies their end?

I spend a lot of my time teaching and disciplining children now-a-days and through these experiences, I have found many similarities in the ways that Marx and Engel construct their arguments for communism and against capitalism, most of which are shaped around the concept of deflection. First, let me provide an example from which my conclusions are built, all of which are inducted from daily experiences.

I know that my experience is nothing novel or new, especially if anyone reading this has had the pleasure of working with large groups of kids. In a classroom there is supposed to be only one goal, one guider, and one “law maker” and that lovely job title has been bestowed upon me, the teacher. In trying to achieve my one goal to teach multiplication, I tell every student to be quiet and do their work. While not paying attention, I hear several of the students talking. When I look up, I single out the first one that I see talking (lets call him Crandon). I tell Crandon, “If you continue to talk, I’m going to take your work away and give you an F for the assignment.” Instead I simply turning to do his work, he replies, “Sandor (another student) was talking to me, I was only responding to him. Also, he has candy in his pocket and I saw him eating it to.” Normally, my response to this is to turn to Sandor and ask him to show me what’s in his pocket or simply focus on Crandon by say “I am not concerned with Sandor right now, I‘m telling you to do your work and stop talking.” In this situation, Crandon is using deflection as a method for arguing for his actions and to try to divert my attention, so I won’t know what he was doing or his intentions were while talking. He could have had a number of intentions including genuinely wanting Sandor to stop talking or worse. He could have been asking for some candy or asking for an answer for the math assignment, or considering a bribe from Sandor, who may have been offering candy for answers on the quiz. In the end his method of building his argument is a form of deflection, simply because the true intentions are hidden and covered with constant finger pointing between the two children, resulting in “he did this or she did that.”

Now, I don’t want to be slammed for making sweeping statements, because what I’m trying to do here is construct an argument that parses out the similarities between how the children I manage shape their arguments and that which pushes for revolution in favor of the proletariat through communism. In Marx and Engel’s discussion, I noticed that much of their arguments focuses on what capitalism is doing, specifically forming opinions about how the proletariat are oppressed and crushed. They also focus largely on the anticipated end of capitalism (profit), which is not justified by its means (oppression and exploitation of lower classes). All of their discussions of the weakness that plague capitalism resonate with my experiences as part of the hourly/wage earning class. However, getting back to my previous notion of deflection, even in the midst of building this argument Marx and Engel only graze over the true intentions of communism. Yes, I understand that the perceived intentions are to redistribute resources in way that abolishes inequities, one in which can never be achieved through capitalism, but here is my moment of contention.

If Marx and Engel were here today I would like to simply ask, “Without reverting your answer back to discussions of capitalism, what are you goals and the means for achieve them and which are more important?” Only once did I read part of this answer and it surfaced when Lenin states “The exploiting classes need political rule to maintain exploitation, i.e., in the selfish interests of an insignificant minority against the vast majority of all people. The exploited classes need political rule in order to completely abolish all exploitation, i.e., in the interests of the vast majority of the people, and against the insignificant minority consisting of the modern slave-owners — the landowners and capitalists.” In short, this points to one of the strongest arguments against communism, one in which again, the end does not justify the means. How can such a concept be accepted wholeheartedly when terms like “insignificant minority” are still used as evidence and support for controlling or oppressing others. Branching from this, acts of violence become acceptable because they are means to an end. RK’s post states, “Let's stop pretending to be shocked by violence; all of us participate in it structural violence everyday…” Given that there is material truth in this statement, my response is, but does two wrongs make a right? In my eyes it doesn’t. If the goals of communism were rooted in respect for human life, then I would be on board. In reality, it is not. It is one that is occupied with deflection and hiding the atrocities that come along with the means to that end. I can never condone death and violence towards others as a mean for a end that has similar flaws that plague the current system (i.e. insignificant minority). I believe that if the intentions were more focused on respect and love as the core value, violence would not be a possible mean. Under capitalism the proletariat are insignificant and under communism landowners and capitalist are insignificant. How about we focus on goals that do not deem anyone insignificant. Okay this is getting entirely too long, got to go.

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Phoenix said…
Communism or Marxism is not coated with the goodness of human values. In fact most of the goodness of human beings and society is a myth; something which originates in fiction/ utopia/ biased accounts written to proselytize. Human beings are necessarily selfish and creatures of convenience; even you and me. So, lets not expect "respect for human life", "love"...what do those terms mean anyway in different societies. Are they universals? Violence can only be countered by violence. Lets not get stuck in the rhetoric that whether two wrongs make a right or another wrong...Neither communism nor capitalism, not pacifism (the meek shall inherit the earth) is going to bring equality in this unequal world. We cannot discuss respect for human life when we are condoning most genocides in the history and present...committed both by our exalted states and our society in our homes and backyard. I am a hypocrite if i talk of respect and goodness and equality. Face it.
Most important for me is the point of praxis which is my response to what I perceive as exploitation and violence in every step of my life. There lies the hope...
Sydney D said…
In response I will separate each sentence or thought and reply:

1)Communism or Marxism is not coated with the goodness of human values. - That is a given, I think we both know that.

2)In fact most of the goodness of human beings and society is a myth; something which originates in fiction/ utopia/ biased accounts written to proselytize. - Not once in my blog did you see me say that there is something inherently good about humans, what I said is that the goals for change must be centered on respect for human life and love.

3.Human beings are necessarily selfish and creatures of convenience; even you and me. So, lets not expect "respect for human life", "love"...what do those terms mean anyway in different societies. - You can sit here and say that human being are necessarily selfish and creatures of convenience, however, that is a sweeping statement. If that were the case then why would mothers and fathers in poverty stricken situations give the last of what they have just to feed their children and not themselves? Why do people volunteer to help others? Why do people go out of their way to make life easier for others with simple gestures of holding doors, asking if they would like to share things, etc. The point I'm trying to make is that love is not fictional. And it's not utopian to think that centering the goals of humans to focus on respect of human life and love is a unworthy cause. I don't expect it to be easy to "respect human life", and in that simple fact lies the vary reason why it should be considered.

4.Are they universals? I think love is universal. The ways we express it are different from culture to culture, but I believe to my core that it is universal.
Sydney D said…
5.Violence can only be countered by violence. This is not true with a capital "T". Violence can be countered with plenty of alternatives, including love, respect, understanding, disregard, submission, etc. there are plenty of ways to respond or counter violence. When has there ever been only one answer or response to this world? That is one of the main reasons why research in academia continues to thrive, because if we knew the answer to everything, there'd be no reason to study humans. In short, violence can only be countered by violence is a statement worth reevaluating.

6. Lets not get stuck in the rhetoric that whether two wrongs make a right or another wrong...Neither communism nor capitalism, not pacifism (the meek shall inherit the earth) is going to bring equality in this unequal world. - NO lets get stuck on the rhetoric because it is this very same rhetoric that you are using to disqualify such responses. Why shouldn't we talk about what’s right and what’s wrong. People pushing for communism or capitalism do. It has always been about right or wrong. When you talk about bringing equality in this unequal world, you are talking about it being wrong that there is inequality, so therefore, speaking about what is right and wrong are essential to this conversation.

7. We cannot discuss respect for human life when we are condoning most genocides in the history and present...committed both by our exalted states and our society in our homes and backyard. - Why can't we discusses respect for human life? In all honesty we can sit in a classroom everyday talking about how capitalism needs to change or communism is the way to go, and that people shouldn't die because of the economic conditions they are living under; however, none of us literally go out of our comfort zones to "fight the power." I believe as long as everyone is complacent with sitting and discuss "genocides" without actually doing anything about it, then I have every right to sit and talk about how there needs to be an ideological shift in focus for human beings.

8. I am a hypocrite if I talk of respect and goodness and equality. Face it. - Finally, YES you are a hypocrite...as well as I am, but to say that we should completely sweep the discussion under the rug further hides those hypocrisies. Indisputably, we must start somewhere and my entry point is not violence. I would never tell someone don't even try, simply because you've made that same mistake before. Maybe my whole life I've been a hypocrite, but simultaneously I have not, in that my very existence has not always been predicated on selfishness and convenience. I would go on a limb even further and say that this same concept applies to a majority of humans in the world, we are not all completely consumed with our own selfishness. And even with capitalism pushing for such a focus, there still those who resist in many forms including violence , passivity (ambiguous loyalty to those in power), and or opposition (simply helping others).

9. Most important for me is the point of praxis which is my response to what I perceive as exploitation and violence in every step of my life. There lies the hope... - Most important for me is also the point of praxis. However, in choosing that point, I've already grounded myself in the core values that drive the change I hope for. That change is grounded in respect for all humans and love. That is my point of entry, contrary to both capitalism (self interest) and communism (group interest). So again, YES Lala me must get stuck in the rhetoric of what is right and wrong, its is the only place to be given that is where our decisions for violent acts emerge.....see you in class :)
Phoenix said…
Great!! Wow!! love your points and conviction. We need a critical mass of people like you!!
Zhuo said…
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Zhuo said…
My thoughts on this topic sounds like a tongue-twister:
Capitalist means justifies Capitalist end. Proletarian means justifies Proletarian end. Capitalist means can appear to justify both Capitalist and Proletarian end to the effect that it only justifies capitalist end. Proletarian means can never appear to justify Capitalist end, and it needs a lot of imagination to get what IS Proletarian end.
Saqib said…
Sydney I agree with many of your points. I think you need to strike at the heart of the problem, which is the materialist framework in which Marxism exists. In this framework, ideas such as 'love' and 'respect' have mere nominal value at best. Human beings are stripped of any connotations to intrinsic value, be it through the soul or human rights or whatever. This is the essential dilemma. Violence can then be justified regardless of losses in human life as the focus is on establishing the communist agenda and not preserving the arbitrary value of life.

And you correctly point out the hypocrisy of sidetracking the notion of right & wrong while preaching about the oppressed Proletariat class. You can't have it both ways.

Morality and materialism will always be at odds. The sad reality is that this revolution that Marxists are so enamored with will likely degenerate into a clash with the Proletariat class once they realize what comes with the communist package. Marxism seems to assume that the Proletariat across the world will trade in their religious or moral views in exchange for a shared piece of the pie. Human beings are more complex than that.

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