I wanted to write something similar and on similar thoughts. So I felt it would be better to write it here not only as a follow up and comment wise on Prashant's post.
I am certainly confused with this introduction of new concepts in my life. I read about the proletarians and the bourgeois class. And just when I thought I was getting some idea of what all this is about I read more into them and got myself even more confused I think.
Industrial revolution. Key to all the foundation of Marxism. Is it not? My impression is that industrial revolution is blamed to a high extent for many of the problems in today's world. But was there an alternative to the industrial revolution? Similar to what HalfLife wrote above, is (was) innovation or competition unavoidable?
For the need of the people, innovation was necessary. it may have come in terms of more productive looms for individuals, or industry defining looms for the world. Steam engines made way for the world we stand in today. I find it hard to imagine a world where we do not have fast trains, or airlines, or a computer or mobile phones. Did they not all stem from the industrial revolution directly or indirectly?
Then the next confusion came about the ownership of land. I may not have gotten it at all. Is land symbolic of all the modes of production? Or is land only land? Even the Marx Archive says it is not possible to go to a point where all land will have public ownership. A revolution will be necessary to achieve that. And even then, it may be hard to accomplish.
But even if that happens, wouldn't it be necessary to have a selected group(s) to organize and manage them? Are we not creating a similar system as we have today with private ownership? In my opinion this would again eventually become the cash relationship situation theorists are trying to abolish.
Then the next clarification I seek is in terms of intellectual skills. The way big organizations treat employees (even if it is for their intellectual/academic skills) is nothing short of how a proletarian is treated and demanded. I felt if we substitute (or even imagine) the term 'physical labor' with 'intellectual labor/skills' it may work in a very similar way. But the reading seems to imply that intellectual labor is a 'higher' commodity.
So yes, I am confused to a good extent. It would be nice to get to listen to you all, and clarify and strengthen my grasp of the content matter that I have just dipped my toe into.
As I wrote in my first posting in this blog, let the fun begin!
I am certainly confused with this introduction of new concepts in my life. I read about the proletarians and the bourgeois class. And just when I thought I was getting some idea of what all this is about I read more into them and got myself even more confused I think.
Industrial revolution. Key to all the foundation of Marxism. Is it not? My impression is that industrial revolution is blamed to a high extent for many of the problems in today's world. But was there an alternative to the industrial revolution? Similar to what HalfLife wrote above, is (was) innovation or competition unavoidable?
For the need of the people, innovation was necessary. it may have come in terms of more productive looms for individuals, or industry defining looms for the world. Steam engines made way for the world we stand in today. I find it hard to imagine a world where we do not have fast trains, or airlines, or a computer or mobile phones. Did they not all stem from the industrial revolution directly or indirectly?
Then the next confusion came about the ownership of land. I may not have gotten it at all. Is land symbolic of all the modes of production? Or is land only land? Even the Marx Archive says it is not possible to go to a point where all land will have public ownership. A revolution will be necessary to achieve that. And even then, it may be hard to accomplish.
But even if that happens, wouldn't it be necessary to have a selected group(s) to organize and manage them? Are we not creating a similar system as we have today with private ownership? In my opinion this would again eventually become the cash relationship situation theorists are trying to abolish.
Then the next clarification I seek is in terms of intellectual skills. The way big organizations treat employees (even if it is for their intellectual/academic skills) is nothing short of how a proletarian is treated and demanded. I felt if we substitute (or even imagine) the term 'physical labor' with 'intellectual labor/skills' it may work in a very similar way. But the reading seems to imply that intellectual labor is a 'higher' commodity.
So yes, I am confused to a good extent. It would be nice to get to listen to you all, and clarify and strengthen my grasp of the content matter that I have just dipped my toe into.
As I wrote in my first posting in this blog, let the fun begin!
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